i never understood why the dubs believe that jesus has to be a angel and not part of godship.it clearly states in john:1:1,in the beginning the word was,and the word was with god,and the word was god.the dubs like to add the letter a to make it say,and the word was a god,but this is not correct.now does this mean that jesus is jehovah?of course it doesn't.it's like me saying in the beggining the woman was,and the woman was with man,and the woman was man.now this doesn't mean that the woman, who was eve, was the man adam.was not the woman made from man?thus she was called woman.so it shows as the bible states that they must become one flesh,which doesnt mean they actually are one person.mark:10:6 says,''however,from the beginning of creation he made them male and female,on this account a man will leave his father and mother,and the two will become one flesh,so that they are no longer two,but one flesh''.adam and eve had the same nature but because one was the decision maker and the other was to be in perfect subjection,they were only one flesh.if eve where to chose her own way(which she later did)that would make two decision makers and thus they would no longer be acting as one enity.to act as one enity there can only be one decsion maker,the other must be the submissive agent.just like the head of the woman is man,the head of the man if christ,thus the head of the christ is jehovah.the father is the source for all decisions,this is the difference between the father and the son as john:5:19 says,therefore,in answer,jesus went on to say to them:''most truly i say to you,the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative,but only what he beholds the father doing.basically,jesus is saying that he is not equal to his father who can do things on his own.but,the point is jesus cant act''from himself'',he can only act from his father.to act''from himself'',would mean that he was independent of his father and therefore could not be truly equal to his father.jesus is answering the accusations by claiming perfect harmony with his father.therefore,the father is the source of all decisions,and the son is the perfect agent of those decisions.this is why jesus is equated as being one with the father because jesus can do nothing from himself.he can only carry out the fathers will and he does it perfectly.this proves that jehovah and jesus act as a single entity,a single being, the one true god.they are both deity,they have the same essential attributes of immorality,having the authority to judge and give life.they are both credited with making the universe,their glory is one.but,the father and son are two persons.they each have a different role,one is the source of all authority and decisions,the other is the perfect agent or servant.this explains why jesus does not know those things that are for the father to decide and so must receive that knowledge from him.it explains why jesus is in perfect submission to his father and his head.it explains how the father can be greater than the son.it explains how jesus could be god and yet have a god.hebrews 5:8 says,''although he was a son,he learned obeidence from the things he suffered''.if jesus had been an angel in heaven prior to coming to earth,he would have already have known obedience.but this verse says he learned obedience by coming to earth.why did jesus have to learn obedience?if he were god would he not already know?the answer is no!all creatures know and experience obedience.god is the only one that does not know obedience because he cannot experience it,he can only observe it.likewise, jesus does not know sin because he cannot experience it,he can only observe it.so,although jesus was submissive and had observed obedience in angels,he had never experienced obedience until he accepted the consequences of sin,the sin of others.so jesus cannot be a angel,to futher prove this look at hebrews 1:13-14:it says''but with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said,sit at my right hand until i place your enemies as a stool for your feet,are they (angels)not all spirits for public service,sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation.
''its a rhetorical question,it means no angels would ever sit at his right hand,thus proving jesus could not be a angel.and also look at hebrews 2:5,it says,''for it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come,about which we are speaking.
''you can clearly see that jesus could not be a angel,but he is deity with the almighty god.
So Jesus cannot be a angel,to futher prove this look at hebrews 1:13-14:it says''But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said,sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet,are they (angels)not all spirits for public service,sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation.''Its a rhetorical question,it means no angels would ever sit at his right hand,thus proving Jesus could not be a angel.And also look at Hebrews 2:5,it says,''For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come,about which we are speaking.''You can clearly see that Jesus could not be a angel,but he is deity with the almighty god
Yes, it was not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, because at the time, the earth was subjected to a man..who conquered the world.. An earthling man..
concerning the 2nd coming of christ i'll say this.. nobody understood the first coming.
what makes you think those people knew anything at all about a 2nd coming?
if any part of the bible messege wasn't garbled it's clear the apostles and 1st century christians who should have/might have been privvy to information of this nature didn't know squat!
I'm sure a good majority love the idea that a beneficent, supernatural leader will come and provide relief and direction to distressed people.
We all love Superman, and Spiderman..KingKong, Dirty Harry. Right?
Maybe we all have this need, because of our inherent need of a God or a Savior, that seems to be implanted in man, since man's beginning. What do you guys think?
Prolog2..still like your ideas about Revelation...esp. about USA being Babylon the Great..and other things..
concerning the 2nd coming of christ i'll say this.. nobody understood the first coming.
what makes you think those people knew anything at all about a 2nd coming?
if any part of the bible messege wasn't garbled it's clear the apostles and 1st century christians who should have/might have been privvy to information of this nature didn't know squat!
concerning the 2nd coming of christ i'll say this.. nobody understood the first coming.
what makes you think those people knew anything at all about a 2nd coming?
if any part of the bible messege wasn't garbled it's clear the apostles and 1st century christians who should have/might have been privvy to information of this nature didn't know squat!
Yes, I got it, and it was a beautiful snowman.. love the sparkles. Thanks... Wishing you a great 1st or 2nd xmas.. Did you do much last year? I didn't, so this is my 1st.. Yippee!!!!!
Going to my brothers with my whole family.. Love, Oggy
I will have to pray for you all, as you are all drones, as I was for 26 years.. Now I have true christian freedom.. and I'm not ordered, what to believe, who to be friends with, who to shun, what to celebrate, what to do in my bedroom, how to dress, and fix my hair, and ordered by you to not to give a damn about world as far as social programs or politics and I can decide what the prophesies mean, myself.
or more to the point, what can you do with your cousin who is in love with a heroin addict, lives with him, has a child to him, is regularly beaten by him to the point that she went into a womens refuge last year, and supports him with all her income because she is the breadwinner.. sigh.. i just got in touch with my cousins again after several years, and i find out my beautiful cousin has been brutalised by this fuckwit for years.
but until she is ready to see hes ruining her life nobody can do anything to help her.. the whole family has given up on saying anything because she always goes back to him.
Yes, one of the wonderful things I am learning since I dropped out more than a year ago, is that there are alot of wonderful people in the world.. yes in the WORLD. I fell for that too. May you have some real friends..and not the conditional friends in the JW's.
on your own thoughts or beleifs,, then it gives you a % of which ones you are most attracted to.. my highest came up church of christ, and scientist,, followed closely by new age ,, jw came in at 50 % i was hoping it would be less, but it was an interesting couple of minutes to spend my time,, my bro is church of christ, and i went once or twice and found it good, just still feel abit lost to actually going full steam ahead with a particular way, would rather just sit back and look, and take care of myself and family as best i can.... http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html.
at the last supper, jesus said that he would eat and drink with the apostles in the kingdom of god:.
and he said unto them, with desire i have desired to eat this passover with you before i suffer: for i say unto you, i will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of god.
I do like your point and agree that the kingdom arrived back then, in the sense..of the body of Christ becoming anointed with Holy Spirit. And also Jesus in the transfiguration..
But, I also think that there is another coming of the kingdom in our day as well, as for the last 2,000 years, christianity has been very dark. It comes again with the 2nd coming of Christ.. At least that's my take so far..
